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  • I've only seen this: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...5/?from=sec561

    Canadian jets abort ground attack in Libya over fears of civilian casualties

    Canadian military aircraft joined in a mission against ground targets in Libya on Tuesday, but did not drop their bombs amid concern there might be civilian casualties, military officials said.

    Officials said two CF18 aircraft were assigned to attack a unspecified Libyan airfield along with other aircraft from the U.S.-led coalition.

    “Upon arrival on the scene in the target area, the air crew became aware of a risk (of collateral damage) they deemed as too high,” Major-General Tom Lawson, Canada’s assistant chief of the air staff told reporters.

    The Canadian jets returned safely to base.

    Canada has sent six CF18 fighter jets to the operation and a frigate. It also has refuelling aircraft in the region.

    It was the second mission for Canadian planes in the campaign to enforce a no-fly zone over Libya to halt attacks on rebels and civilians and open the way for humanitarian help. It was the first time they had been assigned to attack a target.

    Defence Minister Peter MacKay said that while the United States is still co-ordinating air operations, NATO was discussing if and how it should take over the mission.

    “There is a further discussion if there will be an evolution of command and control of the entire mission. So no decision has been taken thus far,” Mr. MacKay saud at a briefing.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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    • I think it is becoming clear that once again we have gotten involved in a war with no end game in sight.
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      • The problem with the F-15 isn't that it crashed, the problem is that the extraction team apparently opened fire on "civilians" trying to get the pilots out and injured half a dozen people on the rebels side. Oops.
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        • Broken record.

          How much do you want to bet the extraction team were Marines?
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          • Do pilots not have an "I'm in good hands" flare?

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            • Military is denying "100%" that Libyans were shot at in the rescue now.

              • Air strikes on Gaddafi-held Ajdabiya this morning • US fighter jet crash lands in Libya • Disputes over whether Gaddafi legitimate target • Fighting continues on the ground Read the Guardian's latest summary of events Follow live updates here


              A US military spokesman has denied reports that US Marines rescuing a downed pilot in Libya on Monday night shot and injured six civilians.

              "It didn't happen, I can deny this 100%," said Captain Richard Ulsh, a spokesman for the US Marines.

              Two pilots parachuted from their US Air Force F-15E near Benghazi after their aircraft suffered a mechanical failure. Two Osprey tiltrotors based on USS Kearsarge off the Libyan coast were dispatched to rescue the pilots, who landed separately. The Osprey has two rotors and can take off vertically before the rotors swivel to allow it to fly like a plane.

              One pilot was picked up and brought back to the Kearsarge, where he is being given medical treatment but is in good condition. The US military has said it picked up the second pilot but has not revealed his whereabouts.

              Each Osprey was manned by a 12 strong squad of armed Marines, but Ulsh said no shots were fired. "The Osprey is not armed and the Marines barely came off the aircraft," he said. "I was in the landing force operations centre (on the Kearsarge) and firing was never reported."
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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              • Yep, trust the US to **** things up within days...

                In hindsight, I suppose the anti no-fly people were right after all - having trigger-happy dumbass yanks on your side is just too much of a liability if you want to retain any sense of goodwill from the people they're supposedly trying to 'protect'...

                Why don't the Americans just do us all a favour and **** off out of Libya already before they can do any more damage!
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                • Is this "we won't shoot because we don't want to hurt civilians" a propaganda thing (learnt from previous bad experience), or have the military et al really had a change of heart and decided shootz-ing piple iz bad.

                  Send a plane up, don't shoot, come back. Hey aren't we nice guys!
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                  • Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
                    Is this "we won't shoot because we don't want to hurt civilians" a propaganda thing (learnt from previous bad experience), or have the military et al really had a change of heart and decided shootz-ing piple iz bad.

                    Send a plane up, don't shoot, come back. Hey aren't we nice guys!
                    It's because they were Canadian. It's the Americans who don't care if civilians get killed.
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                    • The Americans should drop seal costumes over Libya and tell civilians they are for protection from airstrikes. Then send the Canadians in.
                      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                      • "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • Originally posted by MOBIUS View Post
                          Yep, trust the US to **** things up within days...

                          In hindsight, I suppose the anti no-fly people were right after all - having trigger-happy dumbass yanks on your side is just too much of a liability if you want to retain any sense of goodwill from the people they're supposedly trying to 'protect'...

                          Why don't the Americans just do us all a favour and **** off out of Libya already before they can do any more damage!
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                          • Glad to see it's funny indiscriminately gunning down civilians that were actually trying to help one of your pilots...
                            Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                            • Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
                              The Americans should drop seal costumes over Libya and tell civilians they are for protection from airstrikes. Then send the Canadians in.

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                              • Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
                                The Americans should drop seal costumes over Libya and tell civilians they are for protection from airstrikes. Then send the Canadians in.


                                on the side note... there goes the country with highest HDI in Africa... ah well, it was "the axis of evil", and Cameron has the obligation that if the evil dictator is killing the population, that he needs to get in on the action and kill more ...

                                outcome of this will be

                                a) more murder between the army and the rebels, as army will not be able to supress them as fast as they would have otherwise... so they will be even more brutal... with Gadaffi ruling with an iron fist afterwards, in order to supress the rebels "on time" next time around

                                b) we get in and do the Iraq pt II, except overall I think Libya has a lot less volatile ethnic and religious composition so hopefully (other than getting the westerners out) there should not be too much fighting for reasons other than power grabbing...

                                so since we are where we are at, right now, it would be the best to do option b... but highest HDI in Africa = goodbye... if they reach the level of development where they were 6 months ago in 20 years, I will be impressed

                                edit: but I guess the west (France, UK, US) got what they wanted... one "disobeying" ruler less... no matter what the consequences
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